Part 2: I Really Did Ask a Legitimate Question and Got NGC Blow Back

This is my unedited reply that is still being reviewed by the NGC Chat room monitors….

Thank you for your reply. However…

1) Medals shown are not a product of the Royal Hawaiian Mint. They are a product of Precious Medals Hawaii (PMH). PMH  has no affiliation with the Royal Hawaiian Mint. The PMH hallmark can be plainly seen on the bottom reverse (on both the gold and silver medals)

2) The 1980 American Numismatic Association clipping provides an accurate pedigree of the original manufacturer, Precious Medals Hawaii.

3) Medals struck by Precious Medals Hawaii have been previously graded/encapsulated by NGC so these medal are not setting a precedence of being the first.

4) As shown ( Ira & Larry Goldberg Auctioneers catalog dated September 7, 2009), two Precious Medals Hawaii gold medals were graded/encapsulated by NGC.

5)  I perceive a preferential treatment toward large auction houses in getting “esoteric” type medals graded/encapsulated with my example of the  Ira & Larry Goldberg Auctioneers catalog dated September 7, 2009. Is this true?

6) NGC does grade several Royal Hawaiian Mint issues as identified by their Krause numbers as indicated in their book title Unusual World Coins. Was this recently changed?

7) Several medals listed in the Medcalf & Russell book, Hawaiian Money Second Edition, are in fact Royal Hawaiian Mint issues. If not all items listed in the Medcalf & Russell book do not qualify to be graded/encapsulated, I recommend that you put a note on your webpage that states this fact.

8) Was my original question actually forwarded to a grader that specializes with medals from Hawaii?

9) As a non-paying NGC member (I’m using my ANA membership to get items encapsulated/graded)……

To be continued….

Robert Love and his Bakery

Very interesting read (Love’s: A Century of One Family’s Enterprise). After reading this booklet (and a little more research), I have a rough idea of the time period of use for each of the  M&R “2TB-XX”tokens.

As an example, Silva’s Bakery (2TB-20) is identified in this 1910 newspaper (and they got a bad review).

Love’s Bakery was the 5th bakery in Hawaii.

The first commercial bakery in the islands was operated by Ah Mow (Chinese baker).

LOVES

2MS-20 Uniface Hawaii Statehood Medal (aka HK-537)

When I saw the HK-537 for sale, I made an immediate request to hold it for me with a cashiers check on its way.

In the return email communication, I was offered the HK-536 as an add on-sale in order to keep the Hawaii and Alaska Uniface medals as a matched pair.

I’m glad that I made the additional purchase. There were only 11 pairs of Alaska-Hawaii Uniface medals that Clifford Mishler struck. Mr. Mishler is the current American Numismatic Association (ANA) President.

This is the only known matched pair (obverse and reverse) that has been graded/encapsulated by the  Numismatic Guaranty Corporation (NGC).

This matched pair was once part of the Ostheimer Collection of So Called Dollars which was sold and dispersed in 2011. http://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v13n51a17.html

I recently received my Hibler-Kappen So Called Dollar 2nd Edition book.

The Alaska HK-536 is the plate coin (plate coins are superb examples of the type) and attributed with an Ostheimer Collection and Hibler pedigree.

The Hawaii HK-537 is attributed with an Ostheimer Collection and Hibler pedigree. The Hibler-Kappen 2nd Edition book did not have a HK-537 plate coin (no image in the book).

This is the only known image of the NGC encapsulated HK-536 with its original plate coin image from the  Hibler-Kappen So Called Dollar 2nd Edition book.

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My Book Purchases

Within the past week I purchased 4 books relating to Hawaiiana numismatics:

  1. Hawaiian Money 2nd Edition by Medcalf & Russell (This is a replacement book after gifting my copy to my godfather).
  2. So-Called Dollars, 2nd Edition by Hibler & Kapen (Tired of the on-line google book version with pages blocked).
  3. Paper Money of the Kingdom and the Republic of Hawaii by Medcalf & Fong (Reference copy for my library)
  4. Love’s, A Century of One Family’s Enterprise by  Meiric Dutton (Reference copy for my library).

I stumbled onto the Love’s booklet and purchased it. This booklet was published by Love’s Biscuit & Bread Co., Ltd., Honolulu, 1952. This should provide good reference material if I ever wanted to have an exhibit on the Love’s Bakery tokens.

Love’s, A Century of One Family’s Enterprise : This is the story of Love’s Bakery located in Hawaii.  Started in 1851 in the back and beyond called Honolulu Love started in a year of drought and depression, supplies almost impossible to get and yet he forged a business that survived.  In this booklet is the history of the family and bakery along with history of Hawaii under kings, provisional governments, republics, territorial status and statehood.

 

More historical information from the company’s website: http://www.lovesbakeryhawaii.com/about.html